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You are here: Home / Podcast / 203: Is Investing More Like Poker or Chess?

203: Is Investing More Like Poker or Chess?

May 2, 2018 by David Stein · Updated October 19, 2022

How to make better investing and life decisions.

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In this episode you’ll learn:

  • What is the difference between chess and poker.
  • Why we need to separate the decision process from the outcome.
  • How to improve the quality of our investment decisions.
  • What are are wu-wei and qi and what role do they play in better decision making.

Show Notes

Thinking in Bets: Making Smarter Decisions When You Don’t Have All the Facts by Annie Duke

Thinking Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman

The Tao of Pooh by Benjamin Hoff

Trying Not to Try: Ancient China, Modern Science, and the Power of Spontaneity by Edward Slingerland

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Episode Summary

David asks the question, “Is investing more like poker or chess?” on this episode of Money For the Rest of Us in order to help you better understand why investing is inherently unpredictable. The book, “Thinking in Bets: Making Smarter Decisions When You Don’t Have All the Facts” by Annie Duke inspired this episode. David ponders big ideas such a reflexive vs. deliberative thinking and why the differences between causation and correlation must be considered. If you’ve ever wondered about how to improve your investing decisions while combining analytical research with skilled intuition, this episode will answer many of your questions.

Investing and life are like poker – not chess!

Many investors approach financial decisions like a game of chess, where there are correct and incorrect moves. However investing, and real life, are more closely related to poker, a game of uncertainties. Duke explains in her book that a term known as “resulting” drives poker games. “Resulting” is the belief that the quality of a decision affects the quality of the outcome. However, David explains that a great decision is a result of a great decision-making process, regardless of the end outcome. Learn how to improve your decision-making process by listening to this episode.

Don’t assume causation when there’s only correlation

One of the biggest threats to a good decision making processes it the belief that there is always a direct causation linking the process and the end result. Even with the best knowledge and highest levels of skill, investing still contains an element of uncertainty. Sometimes there aren’t any connections between the decisions investors make and the end goal. For example, if you purchase a house, fix it up, and sell it 3 years later for a 50% profit, does that make you great at real estate investing? Maybe. But it could also have been a result of an overall uptick in the housing market, and any buy/sell transaction would have been profitable. David wants his listeners to know that correlation between good investing decisions and profitable outcomes do not always mean the same result will occur.

How can you improve the quality of your investing decisions?

Since investing is strongly related to the uncertainties and variables found in a game of poker, there are never surefire ways to ensure every decision will be profitable. But there are ways to increase your chances of succeeding. Duke explains that “The quality of our lives is the sum of our decision quality plus luck.” Investors can enhance their decision-making skills by considering market trends and understanding that no one knows for sure what market variables are going to do. David shares more tips for improving the quality of your investing decisions on this episode.

Deliberative thinking vs reflexive thinking and the idea of wu-wei in investing

David outlines two main patterns of thought on this episode: reflexive (fast) and deliberative (slow). Responsible investors utilize both methods on a continual basis. Always reacting to the market and going off of intuition is not a sustainable way of making investing decisions. However, utilizing only deliberative thinking could result in missed time-sensitive opportunities. That’s when the idea of wu-wei comes into play. David explains that wu-wei is “A state of perfect equanimity, flexibility, and responsiveness that is unrestrained by the conscious mind because it does not attempt to predict variables.” Essentially, it’s the idea of embracing the unknown and keeping the balance between fast and slow thinking.

Episode Chronology

[0:57] Is investing more like poker or chess?
[7:02] Investing, and life, are like poker – not chess
[12:05] Don’t assume causation when there’s only correlation
[13:38] How do we improve the quality of our investing decisions?
[18:45] 2 ways of thinking about investing: fast & slow
[23:00] The idea of wu-wei and how it relates to investing

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Filed Under: Podcast Tagged With: decisions, Duke (Annie), Kahneman (Daniel), luck, resulting, risk management, skill, Slingerland (Edward), Tversky (Amos), wu-wei, Zhuangzi

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