Money for The Rest of Us

Investment help and financial guidance for the rest of us.

  • Podcast
  • Guides
        • Asset Classes

        • A Complete Guide to Investing in I Bonds and TIPS (2025)
        • A Complete Guide to Equity REIT Investing
        • A Complete Guide to Mortgage REIT Investing
        • A Complete Guide to Investing in Gold
        • A Complete Guide To Investing In Convertible Bonds
        • Investing in Bitcoin, Oil, and Volatility ETFs
        • Carbon Investing and its Effect on Climate Change
        • Farmland Investing
        • The Opportunity and Risk of Frontier Markets
        • Investment Vehicles

        • A Complete Guide to Investment Vehicles
        • How to Invest in Closed-End Funds
        • What Are SPACs and Should You Invest in Them?
        • Money and Economics

        • A Complete Guide to Understanding and Protecting Against Inflation
        • Understanding Web3 Investing
        • Strategy

        • Why You Should Rebalance Your Portfolio
        • What Is Risk vs Uncertainty?
        • Tail Events and Tail Risk
  • Resources
        • General Resources

        • Topic Index
        • Glossary
        • Most Influential Books
        • Member Tools

        • Member - Getting Started Guide
        • Asset Allocation and Portfolio Tools
        • Current Investment Strategy Report
        • All Investment Conditions Reports
        • Strategic and Adaptive Model Portfolios
        • Member Tools and Downloads
        • Member Resources

        • Plus Premium Episodes
        • Submit A Question to the Plus Podcast
        • Member Forums
        • David’s Current Portfolio
        • David's Portfolio Trades
        • Courses

        • Investing in Closed-End Funds
  • Members
  • Join
  • Log In
You are here: Home / Podcast / 512: Unlocking Hidden Returns—How Mortality Credits Boost Retirement Income

512: Unlocking Hidden Returns—How Mortality Credits Boost Retirement Income

February 19, 2025 by Camden Stein · Updated March 3, 2025

How using a deferred income annuity can increase retirement income compared to an immediate annuity or a bond ladder.

Flowers. Caption says "Mortality Credits"

Topics covered include:

  • How immediate annuities and deferred income annuities work
  • What are mortality credits, and why they are a key diversifier
  • Examples of how mortality credits lead to a 1% to 1.5% higher annualized return over several decades
  • How to decide whether an annuity is right for you

Show Notes

Post: No, really. Deferred income annuities (DIAs) are superior to SPIAs in every way by Boglehead User “GoWithTheCashFlow”—Bogleheads

Actuarial Life Table—SSA

TIPSLadder

Safety-First Retirement Planning: An Integrated Approach for a Worry-Free Retirement by Wade D. Pfau—Retirement Researcher

Episode Sponsors

Become a Better Investor With Our Investing Checklist

Become a Better Investor With Our Investing Checklist

Master successful investing with our Checklist and get expert weekly insights to help you build your wealth with confidence.

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.

Related Episodes

464: More Ways to Lock in Higher Yields in Case Interest Rates Fall

455: Easier Investing, Richer Life: TIPS Ladders to Annuities

407: Worry-Free Retirement Investing

279: Why All Retirees Should Consider an Income Annuity

Transcript

Welcome to Money for the Rest of Us. This is a personal finance show on money, how it works, how to invest it, and how to live without worrying about it. I’m your host, David Stein.

Today is episode 512. It’s titled, “Unlocking Hidden Returns. How Mortality Credits Boost Retirement Income.”

Immediate Annuities

For the past six months I’ve been part of a working group that is seeking to pull together some best practices for financial planners and advisors. This group is made up of some very smart advisors, very well known. Now, I’m not a financial planner. My expertise is in investing, so I’m not sure how I got invited, but I have found it incredibly interesting. 

I certainly have given a lot of thought to financial planning and advisory practice, especially when it comes to annuities. We’ve done over a dozen free and premium Plus episodes on different types of annuities. Up until the Great Financial Crisis, I knew very little about annuities.

We were managing assets for financial advisors, and I met with some of their clients and saw how shell-shocked they were, having lost a lot of money in the downturn, where the stock market fell close to 60%. And that sent me looking for other solutions that could help retirees that didn’t want to be exposed to market risk, or at least to the extent that they had been, and that is where I learned about annuities. I went to some conferences, did a lot of study on it.

And so on a recent call, one of these advisors made a comment about immediate annuities and annuities in general that really surprised me. An immediate annuity is a type of insurance product in which the insurance company accepts a one-time premium from the annuitant—it could be $100,000—and then the insurance company agrees to pay that annuitant, and in some cases the annuitant’s spouse for the remainder of their lives.

These income annuities are a form of longevity insurance, because you get guaranteed income for life. Now, often when an annuitant purchases an immediate annuity, there is a guaranteed period of time in which their beneficiaries will continue to get the payment, the monthly payment, even if the annuitants pass away. It could be 10 years. 

And partly, it’s because in the initial years of the annuity, much of those payments are being funded by the principal, the premium that was paid. And having that period guarantee can be quite comforting, because otherwise, if the annuitant dies the first year or two after making the payment, then they’re out of luck. That money is gone and not available for their heirs.

Now, back to this working group. This financial advisor said he would never buy an immediate annuity. Now, that didn’t surprise me. A lot of financial advisors wouldn’t buy an immediate annuity, partly because maybe they don’t understand them, but they also know that they’re paid an asset management fee. Their income depends on the size of the portfolio that they’re managing. And if a big chunk of that portfolio goes to an insurance company, then the advisor is making less money now. And in working with this advisory client I had back in 2008, that was one of the issues when we started talking about annuities—how will the advisor get paid, since they didn’t sell insurance products.

I recently saw a social media ad for Fisher Investments, and the headline was “Beware of annuities.” And their lead was to try to discourage the use of annuities, but insurance products are tools. They can be incredibly helpful if we understand them. But every insurance product isn’t suitable for a given individual. There are many very high net worth individuals where an immediate annuity as guaranteed income for life, doesn’t make any sense; not useful because they already have enough income, even if they invest very conservatively.

As a Money For the Rest of Us Plus member, you are able to listen to the podcast in an ad-free format and have access to the written transcript for each week’s episode. For listeners with hearing or other impairments that would like access to transcripts please send an email to team@moneyfortherestofus.com Learn More About Plus Membership »

Ready to get serious about your investing?

Access professional-grade portfolio tools, training, and a community to help you stay on track, tune out the noise, and grow your wealth with confidence.

Learn How

Filed Under: Podcast Tagged With: bond ladder, deferred annuity, deferred income annuity, immediate annuities, mortality credits, TIPS

Contact | Team | Topic Index


Darby Creek Advisors LLC
P.O. Box 68544 • Tucson, AZ • 85737

Copyright © 2025 • Disclosures, Privacy Policy, and Cookie Policy • Site by Tempora

Manage Cookie Consent

We use cookies to optimize our website, marketing, and services. 

Functional Always active
The technical storage or access is strictly necessary for the legitimate purpose of enabling the use of a specific service explicitly requested by the subscriber or user, or for the sole purpose of carrying out the transmission of a communication over an electronic communications network.
Preferences
The technical storage or access is necessary for the legitimate purpose of storing preferences that are not requested by the subscriber or user.
Statistics
The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for statistical purposes. The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for anonymous statistical purposes. Without a subpoena, voluntary compliance on the part of your Internet Service Provider, or additional records from a third party, information stored or retrieved for this purpose alone cannot usually be used to identify you.
Marketing
The technical storage or access is required to create user profiles to send advertising, or to track the user on a website or across several websites for similar marketing purposes.
Manage options Manage services Manage {vendor_count} vendors Read more about these purposes
View preferences
{title} {title} {title}
Manage Cookie Consent
We use cookies to optimize our website, marketing, and services. We never sell users' data.
Functional Always active
The technical storage or access is strictly necessary for the legitimate purpose of enabling the use of a specific service explicitly requested by the subscriber or user, or for the sole purpose of carrying out the transmission of a communication over an electronic communications network.
Preferences
The technical storage or access is necessary for the legitimate purpose of storing preferences that are not requested by the subscriber or user.
Statistics
The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for statistical purposes. The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for anonymous statistical purposes. Without a subpoena, voluntary compliance on the part of your Internet Service Provider, or additional records from a third party, information stored or retrieved for this purpose alone cannot usually be used to identify you.
Marketing
The technical storage or access is required to create user profiles to send advertising, or to track the user on a website or across several websites for similar marketing purposes.
Manage options Manage services Manage {vendor_count} vendors Read more about these purposes
View preferences
{title} {title} {title}